<p dir="ltr">Andrea, <br>
getto la spugna, per sfinimento.<br>
Comunque complimenti: sei riuscito a evadere completamente dal topic del messaggio di Stefano Campus (ci sono cascato in pieno!).</p>
<p dir="ltr">Stefano, ripartiamo da capo??</p>
<p dir="ltr">Buona giornata<br></p>
<p dir="ltr">pg</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">Il 10/feb/2014 15:05 "Andrea Peri" <<a href="mailto:aperi2007@gmail.com">aperi2007@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Ciao sempre per cercare di dirimere questa storia del ParentIdentifier se ce o non ce' nella speicfica Inspire.<br></div>Ecco una altro indizio forte che forse va considderaot presente:<br>

<br><a href="http://books.google.it/books?id=_2vdD_low5wC&pg=PA147&lpg=PA147&dq=inspire+parentidentifier&source=bl&ots=p6uAT4LUI0&sig=2Mb7AQ31_vz2XNCbbqXWJEc9yDA&hl=it&sa=X&ei=hdv4Upq4Cu-v7AaSo4DwBQ&ved=0CHkQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=inspire%20parentidentifier&f=false" target="_blank">http://books.google.it/books?id=_2vdD_low5wC&pg=PA147&lpg=PA147&dq=inspire+parentidentifier&source=bl&ots=p6uAT4LUI0&sig=2Mb7AQ31_vz2XNCbbqXWJEc9yDA&hl=it&sa=X&ei=hdv4Upq4Cu-v7AaSo4DwBQ&ved=0CHkQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=inspire%20parentidentifier&f=false</a><br>

<br></div>Come vedi chi ha scritto questo libro lo considera presente.<br></div><div>(vedi immagine allegata a questa email)<br><br></div>Lo so bene che non vale niente di per se', visto che un libro è una interpretazione della realta'.<br>

</div>Ma il fatto che da altre parti non diano cosi' per scontato che non di debba essere è un altro indizio.<br><br><br></div>A.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno 10 febbraio 2014 14:52, Andrea Peri <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aperi2007@gmail.com" target="_blank">aperi2007@gmail.com</a>></span> ha scritto:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Grazie della risposta, ora che entriamo nello specifico la cosa si fa' veramente utile e non credo che possa annoiare.<br>

Chi non vuole non legge, ma i mtd sono importanti per chi opera con i dati geografici.<br>
<br>Venendo alla tua risposta:<br><br>No, non mi convince.<br><br>Perche' l'obbligatorieta' di tale campo è legata al suo impiego.<br></div>Questo campo (ParentIdentifer), infatti va riempito solamente nei casi in cui una scheda è parente di una altra.<br>


Per questo non è stato messo obbligatorio.<br><br></div><div>Inoltre, un dettglio che moltospesso sfugge è che questa compilazione è fatta su una scheda XML.<br>Nell'xml e in particolare su quello dei metadati.<br></div>


<div>Vige la regola che un campo se vuoto non va inserito.<br>Ovvero, vanno inseriti nel xml solo gli elmenti valorizzati.<br></div><div>Nei casi in cui il ParentIdentifier non serve perche' non ci sono parenti (e quindi sarebbe nullo/vuoto) tale campo non va messo.<br>


Per questo non si trova in alcuni esempi di datasets. Perche' sono datasets che non hanno padre e quindi tale campo essendo vuoto iene omesso.<br><br></div>Venendo alla obiezione che non è citato nel regolament di Inspire:<br>


Il regolamento si riferisce ai contenuti informatiivi, entre questo campo essendo primriamente applicativo (perche' serve per realizzare un legame di parentela tra due schede distinte) , non attiene ai contenuti informativi della singola scheda, e quindi capico bene che non sia citato nel regolamento.<br>


<br></div></div>Pero' nel regolamento si dice che si fa' riferimento alle specifiche ISO19115 e tanto basta.<br></div><br></div>A maggior riprova, nel regolamente non è citato neanche il campo FileIdentifier, eppure tale campo è usato.<br>


:)<br><br><br></div>Andrea.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno 10 febbraio 2014 14:14, Piergiorgio Cipriano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pg.cipriano@gmail.com" target="_blank">pg.cipriano@gmail.com</a>></span> ha scritto:<div>

<div><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Andrea,</div>


<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">vorrei evitare di annoiare gli altri in lista ... io personalmente ho sempre pensato che i metadati facciano venire molto sonno!</div>

<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">So benissimo che il fileIdentifier ed il parentId sono raffigurati nel diagramma di classe a pag.70.</div>




<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Ma la tua attenzione dovrebbe cadere non su quel diagramma di classi, ma su quanto è richiesto da Inspire come OBBLIGO.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">




Ed in questo caso troveresti che NON sono previsti, nel senso che NON sono obbligatori: cioè se hai un file xml senza quei due elementi, e lo validi con il validator INSPIRE, non dà errori; </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">




<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Qui trovi il file xml di esempio:</div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><a href="http://inspire-geoportal.ec.europa.eu/EUOSME_GEOPORTAL/temp/provaAP.xml" target="_blank">http://inspire-geoportal.ec.europa.eu/EUOSME_GEOPORTAL/temp/provaAP.xml</a></font><br>




</div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">... e qui sotto il link al report generato dal Validator INSPIRE:<br></div>




<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><a href="http://inspire-geoportal.ec.europa.eu/resources/sandbox/INSPIRE-5a8d8970-9254-11e3-a6f9-52540004b857_20140210-140754/datasets/1/" target="_blank">http://inspire-geoportal.ec.europa.eu/resources/sandbox/INSPIRE-5a8d8970-9254-11e3-a6f9-52540004b857_20140210-140754/datasets/1/</a></font><br>




</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Spero basti per convincerti :)</font></div>




<div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Passo e chiudo, stavolta davvero (vado a pranzo)</font></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>




</span></div><div><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">pg</span><br></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"> </font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">______________________________</font></div><div>



<font face="verdana, sans-serif">Piergiorgio Cipriano</font></div>
<div><a href="https://twitter.com/PgCipriano" target="_blank"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">https://twitter.com/PgCipriano</font></a><br></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"> </font></div></div></div>
<br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno 10 febbraio 2014 13:54, aperi2007 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aperi2007@gmail.com" target="_blank">aperi2007@gmail.com</a>></span> ha scritto:<div><div>
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    <div>Ciao,<br>
      nessuna polemica per carita'.<br>
      <br>
      Tra l'altro capisco che probabilmente è sfuggito il dettaglio dal
      documento isnpire.<br>
      Per cui mi provi a spiegare.<br>
      :)<br>
      <br>
      Pero' consentimi prima di replicare alla tua prima affermazione ,
      di nuovo senza polemica.<br>
      :)<br>
      <br>
      dire che "non aveva chiara la questione" non è offensivo.<br>
      NOn vorrei che i toni si alzassero inutilmente e finissero per
      distrarci dal vero obiettivo che è chiarire l'equivoco DRAMMATICO 
      sulla scheda Inspire.<br>
      :)<br>
      <br>
      Punto 1)<br>
      Continui a citare punti differenti da quelli interessati dalla
      questione.<br>
      :)<br>
      <br>
      Cerca nella documentazione di Inspire dove sta l'attributo 
      FileIndentifier , e cerca li' intorno l'attributo
      "parentidentifier",<br>
      che come dice il nome è "parente".<br>
      <br>
      :))<br>
      <br>
      Giusto per essere piu' esaustivo ho fatto io questa azione:<br>
      se vado sul sito di JRC trovo scritto:<br>
      <br>
      "Guidelines based on EN ISO 19115 and EN ISO 19119 "<br>
      Intanto ci trovo scritto <br>
       "based on iso19115" ?<br>
      E gia' questo fa' pensare che forse forse devo attenermi anche a
      quel che dice ISO19115.<br>
      <br>
      Puo' darsi, ma anche no.<br>
      Vediam di trovare questo attribtuo ParentIdentifier.<br>
      <br>
      Proviamo a leggere il documento che si scarica dal sito di JRC, eh
      ?<br>
      a pagina 70 ce una immagine ne catturo un pezzettino.<br>
      :)<br>
      <br>
      Che allego a questa emal.<br>
      come puoi vedere nella medesima sezione del FileIdentifier, ci sta
      anche un campo che si chiama "ParentIdenfier".<br>
      <br>
      Tale sezione è la root della scheda Metadata.<br>
      In tale sezione si mettono iferimenti espliciti alla scheda di
      metadato.<br>
      Per cui ci si mette sia il FileIdentifier che il ParentIdentifier.<br>
      <br>
      PSero di aver risposto in maniera esaustiva.<br>
      <br>
      Salutoni,<br>
      <br>
      Andrea.<div><div><br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 10/02/2014 13:18, Piergiorgio Cipriano wrote:<br>
    </div></div></div><div><div>
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      <div dir="ltr">
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Ti rispondo senza
          polemica.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Prima di tutto dovresti
          conoscere come è nato l'Editor.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Si tratta di questo: <a href="https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/software/euosme/home" target="_blank">https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/software/euosme/home</a></div>





        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
          E' stato sviluppato nell'ambito del progetto EuroGEOSS da una
          ragazza che ha lavorato in JRC ovviamente a stretto contatto
          con le persone che hanno seguito la definizione delle
          specifiche metadata Inspire!!</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
          <br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Pensare che "<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">chi ha
            scritto quel aggeggino non aveva chiaro la questione</span>"
          è abbastanza azzardato, oltre che offensivo per la diretta
          interessata e per i colleghi JRC.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">In merito al parentId
          ... mi dici per favore dove trovi scritto che è previsto in
          INSPIRE?</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Cortesemente, apri il
          Regolamento 1205/2008 a pag. 7 e leggi cosa è chiesto:</div>
        <div class="gmail_default">
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><i><b>10. METADATA ON METADATA</b><br>





              </i></font><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><i>For the
                purposes of Article 5(1) of Directive 2007/2/EC the
                following metadata elements shall be provided:<br>
              </i></font><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><i><b>10.1.
                  Metadata point of contact</b><br>
              </i></font><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><i>This is the
                description of the organisation responsible for the
                creation and maintenance of the metadata.<br>
              </i></font><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><i>This
                description shall include:<br>
              </i></font><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><i>— the name
                of the organisation as free text,<br>
              </i></font><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><i>— a contact
                e-mail address as a character string.<br>
              </i></font><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><i><b>10.2.
                  Metadata date</b><br>
              </i></font><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><i>The date
                which specifies when the metadata record was created or
                updated.<br>
              </i></font><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><i>This date
                shall be expressed in conformity with ISO 8601.<br>
              </i></font><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><i><b>10.3.
                  Metadata language</b><br>
              </i></font><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><i>This is the
                language in which the metadata elements are expressed.<br>
              </i></font><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><i>The value
                domain of this metadata element is limited to the
                official languages of the Community expressed in<br>
              </i></font><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><i>conformity
                with ISO 639-2.</i></font></blockquote>
          <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
            </font></div>
          <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
            </font></div>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Poi, prova ad aprire le
          technical guidelines e vai a pag.13.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><a href="http://inspire.jrc.ec.europa.eu/documents/Metadata/MD_IR_and_ISO_20131029.pdf" target="_blank">http://inspire.jrc.ec.europa.eu/documents/Metadata/MD_IR_and_ISO_20131029.pdf</a></font><br>





        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">e
            dimmi se vedi da qualche parte un constraint che richieda il
            parentId.</font></div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
          </font></div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Idem
            a pag. 58: per i "metadata on metadata" (che è la parte in
            cui fai confusione tu) si parla solo di:</font></div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">-
            metadata point of contact</font></div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">-
            metadata date</font></div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">-
            metadata language</font></div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
          </font></div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">INSPIRE,
            infatti, non richiede nemmeno l'identificatore del file di
            metadato (fileIdentifier) anche se chi ha scritto l'Editor
            ha pensato bene di aggiungerlo nella creazione del file xml.</font></div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
          </font></div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Per
            concludere: scrivere "</font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Purtroppo
            chi ha scritto queste specifiche di Inspire è stato di
            "spalla tonda" e gli ha fatto fatica scrivere anche un
            esempio</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> </span><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">che
            contenesse almeno una stracciosa scheda di tipo serie che
            fosse parente di una dataset.</span><font face="verdana,
            sans-serif">" ... di nuovo non ha molto senso, visto che non
            si tratta di un lavoro fatto da cardinali riuniti in
            conclave, ma di tantissime persone (JRC e decine di altre
            organizzazioni).</font></div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Inoltre,
            visto che INSPIRE ha previsto da subito meccanismi di
            feedback e commenti sulle varie bozze, perché non hai
            inviato questa tua richiesta di un xml di esempio
            serie-dataset (che condivido!) a suo tempo?</font></div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
          </font></div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Passo
            e chiudo.</font></div>
        <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
          </font></div>
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        </div>
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            <div><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">pg</span><br>
            </div>
            <div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"> </font></div>
            <div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">______________________________</font></div>
            <div>
              <font face="verdana, sans-serif">Piergiorgio Cipriano</font></div>
            <div><a href="https://twitter.com/PgCipriano" target="_blank"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">https://twitter.com/PgCipriano</font></a><br>
            </div>
            <div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"> </font></div>
          </div>
        </div>
        <br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno 10 febbraio 2014 12:14,
          Andrea Peri <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aperi2007@gmail.com" target="_blank">aperi2007@gmail.com</a>></span>
          ha scritto:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="ltr">
              <div>
                <div>PG,<br>
                  <br>
                  l'edtor n linea che propone il portale inspire, non è
                  di per se' dirimentedella questione.<br>
                  Perche' potrebbe benissimo trattarsi che chi ha
                  scritto quel aggeggino non aveva chiaro la questione.<br>
                  :)<br>
                </div>
                <div>E poi il suo funzionamento è abbastanza ambiguo
                  visto che consente di definire separatamente serie e
                  datasets. E non prevede allcune forma di legame.<br>
                  <br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Passando invece al documento che mi hai indicato.<br>
                  <br>
                </div>
                <br>
                a pag.79:<br>
                <br>
                <gmd:fileIdentifier><br>
<gco:CharacterString>f9ee6623-cf4c-11e1-9105-0017085a97ab</gco:CharacterString><br>
                </gmd:fileIdentifier><br>
                <br>
                nella stessa scheda il campo RS_Identifier viene
                valorizzato con questi altri valori:<br>
                <br>
                <gmd:RS_Identifier><br>
                <gmd:code><br>
                <gco:CharacterString><a href="http://rdsi.jrc.ec.europa.eu/id/dataset/ccm2.1/lakes" target="_blank">http://rdsi.jrc.ec.europa.eu/id/dataset/ccm2.1/lakes</a></gco:CharacterString><br>
                <br>
                Gia' questo dorebbe mettere in sospetto.<br>
                Che forse li' sul campo resource non ci va un codice
                tipo UUD, visto che in questo caso ci viene scritto un
                codice piu' parlante.<br>
                E comunque differente da quella in FileIdentifier.<br>
                La ragione di questa differenza è che qui sul campo
                "resource" ci si riferisce all'identificativo della
                risorse, ma poiche' siamo nella sezione <br>
                DataIdentification  la risorsa a cui ci si riferisce è
                il dataset dei dti.<br>
                Mentre il parent-Identifier e il FileIdentifier sono
                collocati in altra parte della scheda, dove la risorca a
                cui ci si riferisce è la scheda di metadato (i concetti
                di "resource" vanno contestualizzati in base alla
                sezione dove ci si trova)<br>
                <br>
                Quindi qui ci si riferisce al codice identificativo del
                dataset e non della scheda di metainformazione.<br>
                <br>
                Purtroppo chi ha scritto queste specifiche di Inspire è
                stato di "spalla tonda" e gli ha fatto fatica scrivere
                anche un esempio <br>
                che contenesse almeno una stracciosa scheda di tipo
                serie che fosse parente di una dataset. Per chiarire una
                volta per tutte.<br>
                (forse su le specs ISO19115 un tale esmepio ci potrebbe
                essere), <br>
                per cui ha alimentato questo drammatico equivoco.<br>
                <br>
                <br>
              </div>
              Detto questo io non so piu' che altro dire.<br>
              :)<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div>Il giorno 10 febbraio 2014 11:22,
                  Piergiorgio Cipriano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pg.cipriano@gmail.com" target="_blank">pg.cipriano@gmail.com</a>></span>
                  ha scritto:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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                    <div class="gmail_default">
                      <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Andrea,</div>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">INSPIRE
                            non prevede il parentId per gestire le
                            Serie.</div>
                          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">INSPIRE
                            prevede l'id del metadato (1) e quello della
                            risorsa (2):</div>
                          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
                            (1)</div>
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                            <div style="font-size:13px;font-family:monospace"><span><gmd:fileIdentifier></span></div>
                            <div style="font-size:13px;margin-left:1em;font-family:monospace">
                              <span></span>
                              <div><span><gco:CharacterString></span><span>123456</span><span></gco:CharacterString></span></div>
                              <span></span></div>
                            <div style="font-size:13px;font-family:monospace">
                              <span></gmd:fileIdentifier></span></div>
                          </div>
                          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">(2)</div>
                          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
                            <div style="font-size:13px;font-family:monospace"><span><gmd:identifier></span></div>
                            <div style="font-size:13px;margin-left:1em;font-family:monospace"><span></span>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <div><span style="display:inline-block;width:10px;vertical-align:bottom;min-height:10px;background-repeat:no-repeat no-repeat"></span><span><gmd:RS_Identifier></span></div>
                                  <div style="margin-left:1em">
                                    <span></span>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div><span style="display:inline-block;width:10px;vertical-align:bottom;min-height:10px;background-repeat:no-repeat no-repeat"></span><span><gmd:code></span></div>
                                        <div style="margin-left:1em"><span></span>
                                          <div><span><gco:CharacterString></span><span>123456</span><span></gco:CharacterString></span></div>
                                          <span></span></div>
                                        <div><span></gmd:code></span></div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                    <span></span>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div><span style="display:inline-block;width:10px;vertical-align:bottom;min-height:10px;background-repeat:no-repeat no-repeat"></span><span><gmd:codeSpace></span></div>
                                        <div style="margin-left:1em"><span></span>
                                          <div><span><gco:CharacterString></span><span>miocodespace</span><span></gco:CharacterString></span></div>
                                          <span></span></div>
                                        <div><span></gmd:codeSpace></span></div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                    <span></span></div>
                                  <div><span></gmd:RS_Identifier></span></div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                              <span></span></div>
                            <div style="font-size:13px;font-family:monospace">
                              <span></gmd:identifier></span></div>
                          </div>
                          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
                            Esempio:</div>
                          <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><a href="http://inspire-geoportal.ec.europa.eu/EUOSME_GEOPORTAL/temp/7c46933a.xml" target="_blank">http://inspire-geoportal.ec.europa.eu/EUOSME_GEOPORTAL/temp/7c46933a.xml</a></font><br>





                          </div>
                          <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
                            </font></div>
                          <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Oppure:</font></div>
                          <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><a href="http://inspire.jrc.ec.europa.eu/documents/Metadata/MD_IR_and_ISO_20131029.pdf" target="_blank">http://inspire.jrc.ec.europa.eu/documents/Metadata/MD_IR_and_ISO_20131029.pdf</a>
                              (pagg. 79,80)<br>
                            </font></div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
                          <div>
                            <div dir="ltr">
                              <div><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
                                </span></div>
                              <div><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">pg</span><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <font face="verdana, sans-serif"> </font></div>
                              <div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"> </font></div>
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                          </div>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno 10 febbraio
                            2014 11:11, Andrea Peri <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aperi2007@gmail.com" target="_blank">aperi2007@gmail.com</a>></span>
                            ha scritto:
                            <div>
                              <div><br>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                  <div dir="ltr">
                                    <div>Salve,<br>
                                      avri un questio tencico che mi
                                      piacerebbe conoscere:<br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Inspire prevede che il campo
                                      ParentID sia valorizzazo solo e
                                      solamente nel caso in cui la
                                      scheda dataset e' legata a una
                                      scheda di tipo serie.<br>
                                      Le specifiche RNDT, invece
                                      prescrivono che tale campo sia
                                      usato per indicare la storicita'
                                      della scheda dataset. E
                                      addirittura prevedono che nel caso
                                      la scheda sia di tipo serie in
                                      tale campo sia ripetuto il valore
                                      del campo FileIdentifier.<br>
                                      Ovvero RNDT attributisce a tale
                                      campo dei significati differenti
                                      rispetto a Inspire.<br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Nell'affrontare questi tests di
                                      inspire,<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>il RNDT ha rimaneggiato le
                                      schede modificando il campo
                                      ParentiIded adeguandolo alle
                                      prescrizioni inspire (che poi sono
                                      quelle ISO)<br>
                                       ?<br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>O a confermato le schede con i
                                      valori di storicita' inseriti in
                                      tale campo.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Inoltre vorrei sapere se nel
                                      affrontare il test inppsire , il
                                      RNDT ha sottoposto schede di tipo
                                      serie o solamente schede ditipo
                                      dataset chenon erano figlie di
                                      serie ?<br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Giusto per chiarirmi un dubbio
                                      in merito a un dettaglio tecnico
                                      sul quale ci si sbatte il capo da
                                      diverso tempo.<br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Grazie,<br>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <div class="gmail_quote">
                                      Il giorno 10 febbraio 2014 10:19,
                                      stefano campus <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:skampus@gmail.com" target="_blank">skampus@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                      ha scritto:
                                      <div>
                                        <div><br>
                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">*Premessa*<br>
                                            INSPIRE prevede che ogni
                                            Stato Membro fornisca almeno
                                            un endpoint nazionale<br>
                                            per il discovery di
                                            metadati.<br>
                                            Ad oggi, la maggior parte
                                            degli Stati Membri (23 su
                                            28) ha soddisfatto<br>
                                            questo requisito registrando
                                            il proprio riferimento
                                            nazionale nel geoportale<br>
                                            INSPIRE:<br>
                                            <a href="http://inspire-geoportal.ec.europa.eu/INSPIRERegistry/" target="_blank">http://inspire-geoportal.ec.europa.eu/INSPIRERegistry/</a><br>
                                            In particolare, come si può
                                            vedere, alcuni paesi hanno
                                            registrato più di un<br>
                                            endpoint, come l'Austria, il
                                            Belgio e la Lettonia: è
                                            infatti possibile<br>
                                            registrarne anche più di uno
                                            per paese.<br>
                                            A differenza di ciò,
                                            l’Italia non ha ancora alcun
                                            endpoint registrato per il<br>
                                            servizio di discovery.<br>
                                            Per questa registrazione è
                                            necessaria una semplice
                                            comunicazione (email) del<br>
                                            National Contact Point
                                            INSPIRE (o di qualcuno
                                            delegato dal NCP)
                                            indirizzata<br>
                                            a EC/EEA INSPIRE Team (<a href="mailto:env-inspire@ec.europa.eu" target="_blank">env-inspire@ec.europa.eu</a>)
                                            ed per conoscenza JRC<br>
                                            (<a href="mailto:michael.lutz@jrc.ec.europa.eu" target="_blank">michael.lutz@jrc.ec.europa.eu</a>).<br>
                                            <br>
                                            *Domanda*<br>
                                            Perché il servizio CSW
                                            realizzato da RNDT non è
                                            ancora stato registrato come<br>
                                            endpoint italiano?<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Dal punto di vista
                                            normativo, sia il
                                            recepimento della Direttiva
                                            INSPIRE<br>
                                            (Dlgs. 32/2010) sia il
                                            Codice dell’Amministrazione
                                            Digitale riportano che<br>
                                            RNDT è il riferimento
                                            nazionale in questo
                                            contesto:<br>
                                            “Il repertorio nazionale dei
                                            dati territoriali, [...]
                                            costituisce il<br>
                                            catalogo nazionale dei
                                            metadati relativi ai set di
                                            dati territoriali” (Dlgs.<br>
                                            32/2010, art.5).<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Dal punto di vista
                                            tecnico-operativo i test
                                            effettuati nel luglio 2013 e<br>
                                            gennaio 2014 dal Joint
                                            Research Centre della
                                            Commissione Europea (su<br>
                                            richiesta dell’Agenzia per
                                            l’Italia Digitale) hanno
                                            dimostrato che il<br>
                                            servizio CSW del RNDT e la
                                            quasi totalità dei metadati
                                            raccolti sono<br>
                                            perfettamente conformi a
                                            quanto previsto dai
                                            Regolamenti 1205/2008<br>
                                            (metadati) e 976/2009
                                            (servizi di rete) della
                                            Commissione Europea, nonché<br>
                                            alle relative Technical
                                            Guidelines (1.2 del 2010 per
                                            i metadati, e 3.1 del<br>
                                            2011 per i servizi di
                                            discovery).<br>
                                            In particolare il test
                                            effettuato a gennaio 2014 ha
                                            riportato 4412 metadati<br>
                                            “passed” e 412 “passed with
                                            warnings” su un totale di
                                            5540 metadati<br>
                                            sottoposti ad harvesting
                                            (nel RNDT i metadati
                                            disponibili sono 6143).<br>
                                            Il livello di conformità
                                            rispetto a INSPIRE è quasi
                                            totale per i metadati di<br>
                                            dataset e serie (4415 su
                                            4462).<br>
                                            Questo è un risultato
                                            importante ed è da notare
                                            che risulta essere migliore<br>
                                            rispetto ai risultati
                                            ottenuti da altri Stati
                                            Membri.<br>
                                            Il report completo è
                                            disponibile a questo
                                            indirizzo:<br>
                                            <a href="http://inspire-geoportal.ec.europa.eu/resources/sandbox/INSPIRE-dc160d85-7f54-11e3-9486-d8d3855bd8fc_20140117-095358/services/1/PullResults/" target="_blank">http://inspire-geoportal.ec.europa.eu/resources/sandbox/INSPIRE-dc160d85-7f54-11e3-9486-d8d3855bd8fc_20140117-095358/services/1/PullResults/</a><br>





                                            <br>
                                            Sottolineiamo che è
                                            importante che la
                                            registrazione del servizio
                                            sia fatta<br>
                                            al più presto perché:<br>
                                            1.    la disponibilità dei
                                            metadati italiani nel
                                            catalogo europeo serve a<br>
                                            dare visibilità alle
                                            informazioni territoriali
                                            esistenti in Italia, il
                                            tutto<br>
                                            proiettato a:<br>
                                                   i. supportare le
                                            politiche ambientali
                                            nazionali e comunitarie<br>
                                                   ii.  favorire la
                                            conoscenza e la promozione
                                            del nostro territorio;<br>
                                            2.    l'iniziale
                                            disponibilità di metadati
                                            potrà innescare un processo<br>
                                            virtuoso spingendo gli enti
                                            pubblici di ogni livello a
                                            conferire i metadati<br>
                                            all'RNDT per far conoscere
                                            le attività
                                            dell’amministrazione su
                                            scala<br>
                                            internazionale;<br>
                                            3.    per incentivare la
                                            realizzazione di servizi
                                            innovativi da parte di<br>
                                            professionisti, consulenti e
                                            PMI locali da offrire agli
                                            enti locali sulla<br>
                                            base della disponibilità di
                                            dati;<br>
                                            4.    per istanziare il
                                            ruolo del "nodo" Italia
                                            all'interno della rete;<br>
                                            5.    per dare
                                            riconoscimento e visibilità
                                            alle persone che, su scala<br>
                                            diversa, hanno attivamente
                                            operato per la realizzazione
                                            dell'infrastruttura<br>
                                            e dei servizi.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            *Conclusioni*<br>
                                            Alla luce di queste
                                            considerazioni, esortiamo il
                                            NCP INSPIRE italiano a<br>
                                            comunicare al più presto al
                                            JRC l'indirizzo del servizio
                                            CSW di RNDT<br>
                                            affinché questo venga
                                            registrato come primo
                                            endpoint italiano in
                                            INSPIRE.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Firmatari (in ordine
                                            alfabetico)<br>
                                            Associazione Stati generali
                                            dell'innovazione<br>
                                            Giovanni Allegri<br>
                                            Roberto Angeletti,
                                            ExportToCanoma  blog<br>
                                            Andrea Antonello<br>
                                            Fulvio Ananasso, Stati
                                            generali dell'innovazione<br>
                                            Associazione Stati Generali
                                            dell’Innovazione<br>
                                            Associazione italiana per
                                            l’informazione geografica
                                            libera - GFOSS.it<br>
                                            Ugo Bonelli, Stati generali
                                            dell'innovazione<br>
                                            Andrea Borruso<br>
                                            Stefano Campus<br>
                                            Giovanni Ciardi<br>
                                            Piergiorgio Cipriano<br>
                                            Bruno Conte, Stati generali
                                            dell’innovazione,
                                            Social4Social<br>
                                            Simone Cortesi<br>
                                            Laura Criscuolo<br>
                                            Antonio D'Argenio, Nadir<br>
                                            Margherita Di Leo<br>
                                            Alessio Di Lorenzo<br>
                                            Gianfranco Di Pietro,
                                            Geofunction<br>
                                            Antonio Falciano<br>
                                            Sergio Farruggia, Stati
                                            Generali dell’Innovazione,
                                            AMFM GIS Italia<br>
                                            Daniela Ferrari<br>
                                            Maurizio Foderà, Kartoblog<br>
                                            Marco Fratoddi, Stati
                                            generali dell'innovazione<br>
                                            Antonio Fregoli,
                                            MNDAssociation<br>
                                            Pietro Blu Giandonato<br>
                                            Cesare Gerbino<br>
                                            Simone Giannecchini<br>
                                            Jacopo Grazzini<br>
                                            Nicola Guarino, ISTC-CNR<br>
                                            Giuseppe Iacono, Stati
                                            generali dell'innovazione<br>
                                            Carlo Infante, Stati
                                            generali dell'innovazione,
                                            Urban Experience<br>
                                            Andrea Latino, Stati
                                            generali dell'innovazione<br>
                                            Simone Lella<br>
                                            Walter Lorenzetti, gis3w<br>
                                            Jody Marca<br>
                                            Flavia Marzano, Stati
                                            Generali dell'Innovazione e
                                            Rete WISTER<br>
                                            Giacomo Martirano, Epsilon
                                            Italia, coordinatore
                                            progetto smeSpire<br>
                                            Stefania Morrone, Epsilon
                                            Italia<br>
                                            Lorenzo Orlando, Stati
                                            generali dell'innovazione<br>
                                            Alessandro Oggioni<br>
                                            Mariella Pappalepore,
                                            Planetek Italia<br>
                                            Stefano Parodi, GeoWebLog<br>
                                            Lorenzo Perone<br>
                                            Emma Pietrafesa, Stati
                                            generali dell’innovazione
                                            (Rete WISTER)<br>
                                            Renzo Provedel, Stati
                                            generali dell’innovazione,
                                            SOSLOG<br>
                                            Angelo Quaglia<br>
                                            Morena Ragone, Stati
                                            generali dell'innovazione<br>
                                            Paolo Russo, Stati generali
                                            dell'innovazione<br>
                                            Alessandro Sarretta<br>
                                            Monica Sebillo, AMFM GIS
                                            Italia<br>
                                            Gian Bartolomeo Siletto<br>
                                            Claudia Spinnato, Consorzio
                                            TICONZERO<br>
                                            Lorenzino Vaccari, Provincia
                                            Autonoma Trento<br>
                                            Franco Vico, AMFM GIS Italia<br>
                                            Fabio Vinci, Epsilon Italia<br>
                                            Massimo Zotti<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            --<br>
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